deird1: chibis of Kitty and Lydia from P&P, with text "fangirls at large" (Kitty Lydia fangirls)
Because I'm in America, I have access to some films I can't watch elsewhere. In particular: Spider-Man – No Way Home.

It is spectacular. And makes me much happier about Tom Holland's movies.

I like Tom Holland. I don't like the other two movies that much, because they're missing what makes Peter Parker who he is, and they're doing Aunt May wrong. BUT this last movie has fixed all that! It makes it clear that (a) this is one Spider-Man within a whole multiverse of others; and (b) this is Spider-Man before half of his origin story has happened.

slight spoiler below )

It turned Tobey's Peter into a wise mentor, gave Andrew's Peter closure, and turned Tom's Peter into the Spider-Man I'd been wanting all along.

Now I just need to go home and buy the DVD, so I can watch it again.
deird1: Spike looking at Harmony, with text "you were meant for me; perhaps as punishment (Spike Harmony punishment)
I'm watching all the Spider-Mans (all eight of them). And I think I've finally figured out the main thing that bugs me about the MCU.

It's Tony Stark. (Except not at all Tony Stark, because I actually love him.)

The thing is, in both the comics and the MCU, Tony Stark is kind of an arrogant prick. BUT, in the comics, his arrogant prickishness is much more tolerable – largely because Iron Man isn't usually in charge of stuff.

Iron Man is one of the Avengers. (And sometimes their leader.) But if there's a big problem in need of a super-squad, it could be handled by the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, S.H.I.E.L.D., Spider-Man, or the Defenders …among others.

Whereas in the MCU, Iron Man is part of the ONLY team of superheroes. If they need rescuing, they talk to Tony Stark. If they need superscience, they talk to Tony Stark. If they need a spokesman, they talk to Tony Stark. If they need anything superheroey at all, they talk to Tony Stark. Which is a problem – because Tony Stark, as I mentioned, is kind of an arrogant prick.

It's a shame, really, because I love Tom Holland's portrayal of Spider-Man. But every time Iron Man comes on screen, I sit there wishing that he was Mr Fantastic. Or, really, anyone who people would actually want to be in charge of stuff.
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A friend gave me a copy of the first 11 issues of the Spider-Man comics. They were rather fascinating.

Weird facts:

- The whole origin story (spider bite, death of Uncle Ben, etc) happens very fast. He literally gets bitten, immediately gets superpowers, and then ("a few minutes later") starts his wrestling career.

- He doesn't actually start doing much superheroing for a surprisingly long time. In the first few stories, he (1) mourns Uncle Ben and captures his killer; (2) rescues an astronaut (okay, this is legit superheroics); (3) fights the Fantastic Four; (4) gets accused of theft and proves his innocence; (5) sells pictures of the Vulture (and takes him down purely for the cool photos); (6) saves the world from an alien invasion. It's only post-alien invasion that he starts actually thinking of maybe saving people. Mostly, he's in it for the photo money.

- The writers haven't particularly figured out how his powers work – but one thing they're pretty sure of is that his main gimmick is crafting weird objects out of webbing. In just these issues, he makes a web-parachute, a web-column, a web-ball filled with web-fluid (?????), a web-shield, web-swamp shoes, a (flying) web-bat, web-wings, a web-heart to woo Sue Storm, and a giant spider made out of webbing on a wooden frame.

- He also totally trolls J. Jonah Jameson by using web fluid to stick his pants to his chair. Jameson spends the next scene walking around in his boxers.

- There is a Spidey Signal! It looks vaguely Bat-signal-esque, but projects from Spider-Man's belt. So, if you were looking at the Spidey Signal and turned around, you'd see Peter Parker standing there wearing a stupid belt and posing.

- He has a full-on romance with Betty Brant. I knew she was a love interest, but I didn't realise how totally into each other the two of them were.

- The second story totally forgets his name and calls him "Peter Palmer".
deird1: stick-figure Aang, controlling elements (Avatar xkcd)
Here's my pitch for a Fantastic Four movie:

We start in space. Our heroes are there, interacting. We get just enough time to establish their basic personalities – maybe five minutes – and then they suddenly have the space accident that will lead to them getting their powers. We cut to black as the space accident happens.

Cut to... two months later.

Our heroes now know that they have powers, are sort of getting used to using those powers, and are in no way reconciled to the fact that they have them. They are not a superhero team yet, but they are still communicating with each other, at least to some extent.

The next half hour is used to explore what they are each, individually, going to do with their powers – will they use them for the good of others? or for profit? or for publicity? or try to ignore them? or what?

Then comes the villainous event that brings them together as a team. And, importantly, this villain has almost nothing to do with them personally. The personal issues of the movie's climax are entirely about the heroes interacting with each other, and about the heroes figuring out the whole superhero thing.

...or Marvel could just make an even suckier version of Fant4stic. Their choice.
deird1: Dawn glaring at Buffy, with text "Dawn Summers demands an explanation for this bullshit" (Dawn bullshit)
The thing that most annoyed me in the whole of Endgame:

Five years after the Snap, and someone at Captain America's support group talks about missing professional sports.

...seriously?

You're telling me that, three weeks after the world's population was reduced by 50%, they wouldn't have rescheduled games around the reduced number of players, to keep professional sports going no matter what?

Five years later – FIVE YEARS – and there are still no professional sports going?




Not. A. Chance.
deird1: Dawn raising an eyebrow, with text "srsly?" (Dawn srsly)
Never, EVER thought I'd be able to say "Fantastic Four is, comparatively, a decent movie", but…


I am watching crappy movies, because this is what I do while I'm doing very boring work. Meant to rewatch Fantastic Four (for the first time since its release), but accidentally clicked on Fant4stic. It was 30 minutes before I realised that it wasn't my bad memory, this was actually a different film, because that was the point when Johnny Storm showed up and was a black guy.

30 minutes. Into a 100 minute movie. Is the point when we finally meet our last main character.

For contrast, 20 minutes into Fantastic Four, Johnny Storm now unknowingly has his superpowers, and is about to set fire to a ski slope. We have had more character development, and actual plot. By 30 minutes, they will all know about their powers, and be about to save the day in the bridge disaster.
deird1: Kennedy looking stubborn, with text "And you'll be stopping me... how?" (Kennedy stopping me how)
In the best traditions of fandom, I made up my mind about Spider-Man: Homecoming long before watching it. Through cunning use of YouTube reviews, written reviews, and random comments on Reddit, I figured out the plot and what everyone else thought, and I decided that it definitely sucked (but not as much as the Amazing Spider-Man movies… which I also haven't seen).

Point 1: it's in the MCU, which I have many issues with.
Point 2: it has Tony Stark supplying Peter with super-advanced suits, which is kind of missing the point of Spiderman.

I have now, belatedly, seen the actual movie. And I agree with my totally biased opinions! But I have a few more thoughts.

You see, the problem with this movie is that it should star Miles Morales. In other words, they're aiming for Into The Spider-Verse and missing.


let me explain )

Questions? Comments?
deird1: the Master sneaking up on Buffy, with text "ceci n'est pas une victime" (this is not a victim) (Buffy (french victim))
Several years later, I've realised one of the reasons I grew tired of the MCU: because they're not superhero movies.

And yet they look like superhero movies at first glance, so it took me a long time to understand this.


What I Mean By "Superhero"

So, my go-to examples of superheroes are Superman, Spiderman, and Buffy.

Superman:
- has a secret identity
- has to conceal his secret identity
- has to occasionally screw up Clark Kent's life to be Superman (for instance, by standing Lois up on a date because he's busy rescuing a crashing plane)

Spiderman:
- has a secret identity
- has to conceal his secret identity
- is constantly screwing up Peter Parker's life to be Spiderman
- is hated by the popular press
- is dirt poor

Buffy:
- has a secret identity
- often has to screw up Buffy Summer's life to be the Slayer
- is hated by the popular kids at school (in the early seasons)
- is dirt poor (in the later seasons)

In my mind, your classic superhero story is the story of an Average Joe with a slightly crummy life, who also happens to be a super-powered protector of the innocent. And one of the major points in the story is the conflict between their ordinary life and their superhero life.



...and then there are the MCU movies.

The main characters:
- do not have secret identities
- have no conflict between their ordinary lives and their superhero lives, because everything they do is about their superheroing
- are super wealthy
- basically have no problems until we're in the middle of the movie plot*

* Not that they have no problems, but the movie arcs tend to be "Everything is fine and awesome... and now the bad guys have attacked... and now my life is back to being awesome in every way."

They're... not exactly standard superheroes – but more like the Gods of Mount Olympus. In that they are up there, having lives that we the audience simply do not have.



I'm sure that genre is still capable of producing good movies. But they're not so much superhero movies – and I miss those.
deird1: stick-figure Aang, controlling elements (Avatar xkcd)
These are the Marvel superhero movies, with the ones I've seen in bold:
list of movies )

Why did I start watching them?
- Superheroes are fun!

- Superpowers can make for really interesting action scenes (rather than the kicking and shooting that's all that's available in most action scenes, Lara Croft on a bungee notwithstanding).

- I love somewhat angsty, finding-your-identity stories.

- I love somewhat angsty, looking-for-redemption stories.

- I love silly costumes and silly names.


Why did I stop watching them?
- There started to be too many plotlines per movie. (For instance: Spiderman 3 and X-Men 3.)

- There stopped being silly costumes and silly names. What is the point of having superheroes if they don't embrace the silly?

- The movies started prioritising as follows:
(1) snark
(2) action scenes
(3) plot
(See: Avengers, which had an immense focus on Tony Stark snarking at Captain America, action scenes that were entertaining enough, but a bit forgettable, and a plotline that... vaguely held together.)

I want to see:
(1) plot
(2) action scenes
(3) snark
(X-Men, for instance. Which had two snarky lines - that were awesome - and some really interesting plot and action. Or Spiderman 2, which had incredible action scenes, and a plot that totally held together.)


And the main reason:
There is just too much continuity between movies. To understand Avengers, I had to have seen at least four previous movies (not a problem, because I had). To understand the following movies, I had to keep seeing all the following movies. They all build on each other! Which is really annoying, because the movies have a totally different feel from each other.

I decided early on that I wasn't so interested in the Thor movies - and yet, they still form part of the overall plot that I'm supposed to be familiar with.

It's much more frustrating than with a television show. Sure, watching all of Buffy is essential to properly understanding later episodes of Buffy - but this is more like having to watch Buffy, Angel, Firefly, and Dollhouse in order to understand later episodes of Buffy. That's too much to ask.



It may be just me. But the Marvel movies have lost at least one viewer - which is a real shame.

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