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[personal profile] deird1
These are the Marvel superhero movies, with the ones I've seen in bold:

X-Men - 2000
Spider-Man - 2002
X2 - 2003
Hulk - 2003
Spider-Man 2 - 2004
Fantastic Four - 2005
X-Men: The Last Stand - 2006
Spider-Man 3 - 2007
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer - 2007
Iron Man - 2008
The Incredible Hulk - 2008
X-Men Origins: Wolverine - 2009
Iron Man 2 - 2010
Thor - 2011
X-Men: First Class - 2011
Captain America: The First Avenger - 2011
The Avengers - 2012
The Amazing Spider-Man - 2012
Iron Man 3 - 2013
The Wolverine - 2013
Thor: The Dark World - 2013
Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 2014
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - 2014
X-Men: Days of Future Past - 2014
Guardians of the Galaxy - 2014
Avengers: Age of Ultron - 2015
Ant-Man - 2015
Fantastic Four - 2015
Deadpool - 2016
Captain America: Civil War - 2016
X-Men: Apocalypse - 2016


Why did I start watching them?
- Superheroes are fun!

- Superpowers can make for really interesting action scenes (rather than the kicking and shooting that's all that's available in most action scenes, Lara Croft on a bungee notwithstanding).

- I love somewhat angsty, finding-your-identity stories.

- I love somewhat angsty, looking-for-redemption stories.

- I love silly costumes and silly names.


Why did I stop watching them?
- There started to be too many plotlines per movie. (For instance: Spiderman 3 and X-Men 3.)

- There stopped being silly costumes and silly names. What is the point of having superheroes if they don't embrace the silly?

- The movies started prioritising as follows:
(1) snark
(2) action scenes
(3) plot
(See: Avengers, which had an immense focus on Tony Stark snarking at Captain America, action scenes that were entertaining enough, but a bit forgettable, and a plotline that... vaguely held together.)

I want to see:
(1) plot
(2) action scenes
(3) snark
(X-Men, for instance. Which had two snarky lines - that were awesome - and some really interesting plot and action. Or Spiderman 2, which had incredible action scenes, and a plot that totally held together.)


And the main reason:
There is just too much continuity between movies. To understand Avengers, I had to have seen at least four previous movies (not a problem, because I had). To understand the following movies, I had to keep seeing all the following movies. They all build on each other! Which is really annoying, because the movies have a totally different feel from each other.

I decided early on that I wasn't so interested in the Thor movies - and yet, they still form part of the overall plot that I'm supposed to be familiar with.

It's much more frustrating than with a television show. Sure, watching all of Buffy is essential to properly understanding later episodes of Buffy - but this is more like having to watch Buffy, Angel, Firefly, and Dollhouse in order to understand later episodes of Buffy. That's too much to ask.



It may be just me. But the Marvel movies have lost at least one viewer - which is a real shame.

Date: 2016-05-31 01:32 am (UTC)
beroli: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beroli
Yeah, I'm not sure you'd go this far so I'm not claiming to speak for anyone but myself here, but while I think Joss Whedon is both smart and funny, I also think he considers himself way, way more of both than he actually is.

Laney says

Date: 2016-05-31 03:36 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Although I haven't seen a whole bunch of those and have no idea about the intertwining plot thing firsthand, I read a Real Proper Review of the latest Avengery one the other day and the reviewer basically said EXACTLY what you've just said. So you are not alone in your assertions.

Date: 2016-05-31 05:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] velvetwhip
I've never seen any of them - I may be the only person in the world who can say that.


Gabrielle

Date: 2016-05-31 06:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beer_good_foamy
Yeah, I'm very close to dropping the MCU myself. I've watched every movie and series in it and I'm not even sure why I keep watching; apart from Jessica Jones and Agent Carter, which are both brilliant, it's been good at best and barely passable at worst. And like you say, the continuity is getting ridiculous; it's at the point now where the movies just seem like previews of each other, with no end game in sight.

I read an article a while back that said superhero movies have now gotten so big that they've gone from being mere movies to being horrible events that happen to the public, much like the events in the movies themselves. As much as the movies occasionally entertain me, I'm not sure I want to play along with that. I like my movies small and effective, and this trend is killing that off.

Date: 2016-05-31 05:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thirdblindmouse
I've enjoyed the TV episodes he's directed (and he's directed a lot of TV), but action movies are a different beast, and I haven't liked any of the three he's done.

Date: 2016-05-31 05:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thirdblindmouse
Although I'm not sure I'd rank plot, action, and snark in the same order you do, that's theoretical, since it appears we have roughly the same taste in superhero movies: I want to see people in silly costumes in fun action scenes with interstitial angst. A large part of the let down of many of the more recent movies is that they try to fit too many action scenes in without giving each one the space and weight it requires. The first X-Men and Spider-Man trilogies were good action movies this way (I missed Spider-Man 3), but The Avengers and particularly Captain America: Winter Soldier were bad at focusing on any one scene long enough to work.

Date: 2016-05-31 07:24 pm (UTC)
ruuger: Spike from Buffy chained in a bath tub, looking annoyed.  Text: "I am not amused." (Spike is not amused)
From: [personal profile] ruuger
Which is really annoying, because the movies have a totally different feel from each other.

So much this. I loved the Iron Man movies, and I enjoyed the Thor movies, but I have no interest in seeing them in the same movie. I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't want Marvel to get the X-Men back, because I like the fact that the franchise focuses on only the mutansts without adding billionaire vigilantes and aliens into the mix.

And yeah, I'm starting to get bored of the snark as well.

Laney says

Date: 2016-06-02 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I want to hear you talk about Whedon and Moffat and admiration and disappointment and analysis of strengths...

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